Tipping out the team sure never happened when I was young and worked in the back of a pub in the UK as a dishwasher boy. It would have been nice if someone were to hand me a few pounds (dollars) extra at the end of the night thanking me for my hard work. In all honesty I was getting paid a fair wage at the time for my role and it was never an expectation of mine.
It was alot of work trying to keep up with the dishes in a busy restaurant although it did help me to pay for my education. It was one of the worst jobs I ever held in my life but I never did complain as I was just happy I was working. I never did spend my money in the pub to eat nor do I remember tipping being something that was the norm.
As a couple we don’t go out to eat much mainly due to the high cost but also because we love to cook homemade meals. We have a friend who works at Tim Hortons and says line-ups are non-stop and at the end of the day he is physically exhausted. He works there so he can save money which helps him pay for his University education. He reminds me of the type of guy I used to be when I was his age.
He gets minimum wage and if anyone does say, “keep the change” they all split the money, including the back-end staff but not management. Tipping is not required in the consumers eyes at Tim Hortons as it is in the full serve restaurant industry although staff at both work equally as hard.
Leaving tips is a sore subject for those that don’t believe in leaving a tip for good service and think that restaurant owners should pay their employees proper wages. When consumers hear some owners are making millions of dollars it’s easy to see why some people just don’t care to tip leaving the servers and the team in an awkward position. Some people feel that patrons shouldn’t have to feel embarrassed if they don’t want to tip or feel pressured into it either.
We’ve had a server in a buffet restaurant visit our table, tell her name, smile then take our beverage order, drop off the drinks and that was last we saw of her until she brought the bill. I would have gotten more service at Tim Hortons than I did that day yet it’s not required of me to leave the Timmy’s team a tip but it was the server in the buffet restaurant.
The buffet style is as “fast food” as it comes, comparable to eating at a restaurant which cranks out meals as fast as possible.
You might even get servers in full-serve restaurants thinking, “why do they (buffet restaurant servers) get tips when we have to work harder than them”. There will always be that struggle with who works more or harder in the food industry with this tipping mindset in place.
So although I know some of you are saying, wait a minute they are both different roles Tim Hortons and the restaurant server that’s not always the case. If Tim Horton’s employees were paid less than minimum wage and relied on tips would you tip them for their fast food service?
How much should we tip in Canada?
Well that’s a good question for those that don’t know. I was told upwards of 15-25% before tax depending on the restaurant. It was then when I realized that maybe I can create the same experience in our own kitchen. There’s no reason we can’t make burgers, fries, pizza and club sandwiches at home for a fraction of the cost of eating out.
Last year we decided to eat out vs eat in on my birthday at a local chain restaurant with some gift cards I had received. The total cost for burgers and fries for 2 came to $27.97 and that’s no tip included. I can buy a weeks worth of groceries for the cost of that meal and if we added in a tip it would have went up another $5.60. I guess the definition of fast food differs to some because I’d categorize this burger meal we had to be fast food whether eating it in or out and buying it from a full serve restaurant.
From a financial stand point it makes no sense to us when we can buy all the simple ingredients and make it at home, depending on what we would order. From the “live a little” stand-point we should just do it and enjoy life. I agree but if I’m going to eat out I’d rather go somewhere that will give me the foodie experience of a lifetime rather than plain old food I can cook.
I was not surprised when I was reading an article by Steve Mertl about Ontario politician MPP Michael Prue who wants tips to go to the servers and not management. Prue has introduced his private members bill to amend the provincial labour law, Mertl says.
“An employer shall not take any portion of an employee’s tips or other gratuities.”
I had no idea that some owners and managers were taking a cut of the tips through something called “tipping out” which is required by staff. What was more shocking was that some servers had to pay upwards of 4% of their gross sales whether or not they made any tips. If I was the server I’d be telling them to tip-off and see you later if they wanted that from me.
Tipping out is where the server has to pay a percentage of his/her tips to the house or team each night. This money gets divided amongst the people who helped the server make the customers experience a memorable one. Everyone from the person who greets you when you walk through the door, to the person who washes the dishes at the end of a meal. Each of these people would get a cut of the cash pot, which in all honesty makes sense to me. The problem in this system they say is when the management team is holding out their hands for their cut.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that management makes more money than the wait staff, dish washers and general cooks. In some cases the wait staff may make an overall higher salary after tips then management but managers get their wage no matter what. They don’t have to worry if they don’t make enough in tips to take home at least minimum wage for their work that night. If you are in a restaurant that is staffed with trained sous-chefs and red seal chefs then you can also bet they aren’t getting minimum wage either.
So that leads me to question should management be getting a cut of the tips at the end of the night? I don’t know because I don’t work in a restaurant but I’d like to learn more about the industry behind closed doors. Management are part of the team after all and it wasn’t until I read what Steve had to say that I even knew about this. There are also many servers who work their butt off only to be dissapointed that at the end of the night they may have just broke minimum wage in tips or worse, not at all. Should this role be comparable to someone who works in sales on commission? Lots of questions but no answers, have your say today.
Should tipping just be eliminated and employers forced to pay a fair wage to their employees?
What are your feelings towards tipping out and some of the money going to management?
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